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moriz · Sep 12, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Rezolve

but when the graphics card comes out, wouldn't you want me to wait another month for the graphic card technology to mature?...

well, no. i was primarily trying to tell you to wait a couple weeks for the new radeons to become available.

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Ok I get that you have to connect the front ones, but from the looks of it, the motherboard just connects directly to the back of the case, so I don't have to connect anything on the back right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...%20Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ShowIma...omputer%20Case

Looking at those two pictures. The motherboard side, which connects to the back of the case, does not match the case. I’m thinking when you buy the motherboard it comes with the plating that covers the hole in the back of the case? And the plating on the case right now is just an example.

So for the USB ports, it does not matter how much there is on the back of the case, because that’s for the motherboard to decide, and if the motherboard supports two USB ports in the front, and you have two USB holes in the front of the case, then you get two USB ports in the front. Is that correct?

@Schnellburg why would I have 14 USB ports? If I use all six ports on the mobo on rear panel, shouldn’t that just leave 8 empty holes in the front of my case? Sorry, I don't see how they can add up; I thought all USB port holes in the case had to connect to the mobo for it to work.

moriz · Sep 12, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

you connect the front panel USB slots by wire to your motherboard. there should be a number of connectors on your motherboard for it.

you also connect the front panel audio the same way. the power and reset buttons, as well as the front LEDs, work the same way too.

Schnellburg · Sep 12, 2009, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by moriz

you connect the front panel USB slots by wire to your motherboard. there should be a number of connectors on your motherboard for it.

you also connect the front panel audio the same way. the power and reset buttons, as well as the front LEDs, work the same way too.

Yep, you connect the USB headers from the front of the case to the mobo. It will indicate where you connect them in the Mobo's user manual. It may seem kinda complicated without actually seeing everything in front of you, but trust me, it is so easy to put a computer together from scratch.

Elder III · Sep 12, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

The best thing to do when you are starting out for the first time is to sit down with the User Manual and the motherboard in front of you. Read through the manual and visually check everything it refers to. That way you will get to know the layout of your motherboard and what options are available to you before you actually start putting things together.

*and buy one of this before you touch anything >>>>>>>

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-001-_-Product

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Actually I have a neighbor who I think would help me set up =P

I'm really sorry if I sound annoying, but I wanna get this straight, If u guy help me answer these two questions I will have everything figured out.

[mobo- 6 back usbs, 2 front usbs] + [case- 6 front usbs] = how many total usb ports.

[mobo- 4 back usbs, 6 front usbs] + [case- 2 front usbs] = how many total usb ports.

Thanks a lot

*question about memory standard, if memory standard on my mobo is 1333, then if i buy a 1600 ram it won't work right? but if it says OC1600 then that means I need to overclock my mobo for it to work?

again Thx

vamp08 · Sep 12, 2009, 05:54 PM // 17:54

If you buy 1600 RAM, it will work It just will not run @ 1600. The BIOS/CMOS will clock the ram lower to match the 1333 spec. And yes, you will have to OC your ram if you want to reach the "OC" 1600Mhz spec.

As far as RAM goes, the only way your RAM wont work is if you put, lets say, 2.1v RAM in a 1.8v DIMM.

Elder III · Sep 12, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

vamp08 is correct on the RAM

Your total amount of USB Ports will be as follows:

The amount of USB Ports on the Back Panel of the motherboard (say 6 for example) = 6
The amount of USB Ports on the front of the case (say it's 6 again) = 6*

Total = 12 USB Ports (see below)

*this depends on how many USB headers are on the motherboard itself, Usually every 2 USB ports on the front of your case will have a cable leading to it. IF your motherboard has 3 empty USB Headers you will be able to have 6 working USB ports on the front of your case, if the motherboard only has 2 USB Headers available then you will most likely only have 4 of the USB ports on the front of the case working.

hope that makes sense

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

its the ram I have to oc? not the motherboard?..
and acutally how many kinds of oc is there, I have never done it before, so I just want to OC the simplest one, like the cpu?

EDIT: ah.. thank you elder, makes sense now

Elder III · Sep 12, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Rezolve

its the ram I have to oc? not the motherboard?..
and acutally how many kinds of oc is there, I have never done it before, so I just want to OC the simplest one, like the cpu?

You overclock memory by increasing voltage and adjusting other things via the motherboard - they go hand in hand. Think of it as the motherboard being the means to overclock your RAM/CPU/GPU/etc - this is why it's important to buy a motherboard with good overclocking capabilities if you want to go that route. You pay more but it's worth it.

Seriously though, for your first build don't mess with overclocking. Let it break in for awhile before you even think about overclocking. As for what's easiest to OC it depends so much on the mobo, the other hardware, the software used (or BIOS), and just plain luck. If I had to say though I would go for the CPU, at least under the right circumstances can be very easy to OC....

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Ok, I have the parts picked out, but some I'm still unsure about

Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129021

Hard Drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136320

Monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001280

GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130475 -if ATI options are better, let me know, becuase I have only ever looked at Nvidia ones

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006

RAM- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145224 -I just took the highest rated one at 2*3 GBs

Mobo I have two picked out, not sure if they're good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130239
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188054

CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115215

EDIT: this comes to about 1400$ USD
As for OC, I'll listen to your advice and wait awhile, see If I actually need that boost in performance.
I just noticed my RAM speed is too high, does that mean I would need to switch?
And for the EVGA mobo, the memory standard is 2000MHz+, what does that mean?

Elder III · Sep 12, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I would get the EVGA mobo, better features and a better brand imo.

Also get this RAM instead if you have a mobo that supports 2000mhz RAM frequency:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231254

Quaker · Sep 12, 2009, 06:45 PM // 18:45

To be more accurate on the USB port thing - the motherboard will have a certain number of actual USB ports on the backpanel. It will also have a certain number of "headers" for "external" USB ports, such as those built into the case and/or things like an internal card reader. The headers are just a set of pins to which you would attach physical USB "ports" - each header connects to 2 ports. The total number of physical USB ports you can have (without a hub, etc.) will not exceed the total of the on-board plus the external ports available on the motherboard. The case may have 8 USB ports on it, but there may not be enough ports on the mobo to support them all.

Quote:

[mobo- 6 back usbs, 2 front usbs] + [case- 6 front usbs] = how many total usb ports.

Total = 8 - the 6 on the back + the 2 front on the mobo (1 header) - there would be nowhere to plug in the other 4 from the case.

Quote:

[mobo- 4 back usbs, 6 front usbs] + [case- 2 front usbs] = how many total usb ports.

Total = 6 - the 4 on the back + the 2 on the case - there would be nothing to plug into the other 4 on the mobo.

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

thanks quaker, that clears everything up

Listed in the specifications in my gpu, it says its DirectX 10, does that mean I won't be able to play DirectX11 games when they come out?

@elder, how come the ram you suggested me, is cheaper than the one I picked, and at a higher speed?

Elder III · Sep 12, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Rezolve

thanks quaker, that clears everything up

Listed in the specifications in my gpu, it says its DirectX 10, does that mean I won't be able to play DirectX11 games when they come out?

@elder, how come the ram you suggested me, is cheaper than the one I picked, and at a higher speed?

'cuz the manufacturer and newegg set a cheaper price

more expensive doesn't always mean better, let alone a good deal. G Skill is a very good brand, you won't regret it if you buy them.

DX 11 games will be backwards compatible, just like you can now play DX10 games with a DX9 only card... you jost won't get the extra "eye candy" benefits of DX11.

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 11:08 PM // 23:08

so would buying a gpu now be stupid? I wouldn't wanna buy a new card, and miss out on new stuff thats just gonna come out

moriz · Sep 12, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

that's what i've been trying to tell you actually. the new ATI radeons will be here late september/early october, and from preliminary benchmarks, will clobber everything available right now. so yes, wait for the new radeons.

Rezolve · Sep 12, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

yes, but wats the estimated price range of those? I don't want to spend 400$ on a card

moriz · Sep 13, 2009, 12:59 AM // 00:59

no one is really sure, but it's been rumored that the 5870 (the top of the line card) will be $400.

but given your budget, you will be able to fit it in. even if you don't want it, the mere presence of the new radeons will drive the prices of everything down.

Rezolve · Sep 13, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

how long does it usually take for a new directx to come out? If its like a really long time then I'll wait.